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Extra Form지하드워치Who added "Christian" and "Conservative" to Norway shooter's Facebook page yesterday?

Pamela Geller has noticed an interesting anomaly:

While the leftist and Islamic supremacist ghouls rush to portray Norway mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik as a Christian and even as an anti-jihadist, the unanswered questions multiply. Why did a jihad group take credit for the atrocities, and then retract? And who altered the murderer's Facebook page? Yesterday, at the time that his name was released, his Facebook page looked like this (hat tip Vivien for the screenshot):

But shortly thereafter, this screenshot started circulating, of an altered Facebook page on which Breivik identified himself as a Christian and a conservative: (screenshot hat tip Vivien)

Did he have two different Facebook pages, one in Norwegian and one in English, and he only identified himself as a Christian and a conservative on the English one? Or did he pause from his murder spree to add "Christian" and "conservative" to his Facebook profile? Or maybe the whole page is a fake, as has been reported here.

But in the case, who faked it, and why? Who is so anxious to portray Breivik as a Christian and conservative? And if this was faked, can we trust any of the material that is now being released about Breivik being anti-jihad?

Posted by Robert on July 23, 2011 11:18 AM | 99 Comments | Digg this | Email | FaceBook | Print | Tweet « Previous Entry | Home Page | Next Entry »

Civilus Defendus | July 23, 2011 11:35 AM | Reply
Further discussion of his portrayal, possible deceptions and distortions:

All is not what it appears.

gravenimage | July 23, 2011 11:39 AM | Reply
Deeply troubling. I still don't fully know who Anders Behring Breivik is or the motives for his horrific murder spree, but it seems clear that there are those out to paint him as "Christian" and "Conservative".

Unless it turns out that he actually does have links to Jihad, he will be portrayed as the new "Timothy McVeigh", in any case.

And—as noted by Mr. Spencer—any rational person should find it very disturbing that a Jihad group initially claimed responsibility for the terror attack, and chatter on Jihad sites has been gleeful over the carnage.

If this was not a Jihad attack on peaceful Norway, it is nonetheless strongly supported by them.

Meanwhile, the civilized world is horrified. Compare and contrast.

Bamaguje | July 23, 2011 11:43 AM | Reply
Frankly I wouldn't put it past some of the scheming "war is deceit" "religion of peace" people to have somehow orchestrated and entrapped a clueless Anders Breivik into this Taqiyya plot, just so they can say "Christians do it too."

Frans Groenendijk | July 23, 2011 11:44 AM | Reply
The images of the FB-pages offer little proof. It would have helped a little bit if the screenshots at least would have included the URl visible in the browser.

TheSSBlock | July 23, 2011 11:45 AM | Reply
This is not surprising. Aside from the media spin of his Christian fundamentalism - with no proof that he referenced any Christian doctrine whatsoever - I am certain there are tampered details that are being withheld.

We may have to wait a while before this deception breaks through. Still no word on how one civilian man - with no military training - perpetrated the entire attack, and managed to execute close to 100 kids.

Archibald Angel | July 23, 2011 11:58 AM | Reply is now reporting him as a counter-jihadist endorsing the views of Fjordman, Robert Spencer, and Bat Yeor.

Chatillon | July 23, 2011 12:07 PM | Reply
In any crime, the question of "Who benefits?" must be at the fore. This is particularly apropos in this case. Hard questions need to be asked. Hard facts are the only acceptable answer.

Family Values | July 23, 2011 12:10 PM | Reply
Come on, Robert, you're becoming a parody of yourself.

Jaladhi | July 23, 2011 12:12 PM | Reply
This guy has to be connected to Muslim jihad in some form or the other. I don't believe any of the proclamations by Norwegian police that he is not connected to any Islamic group. Only Islam teaches such hatred of human beings and nobody else!!

Buraq | July 23, 2011 12:18 PM | Reply
@ Family Values

Talking of parodies, The Guardian (UK) has become a parody of the so-called liberal left view of Islam as victim by trying to associate the perpetrator of this crime with the EDL and SIOE.

'Breivik had talked admiringly about conversations he had had with unnamed English Defence League members and the organisation Stop the Islamification of Europe over the success of provocative street actions leading to violence.'

You're a clown!

Courreges W replied to comment from Family Values | July 23, 2011 12:19 PM | Reply
lol, Who the heck are you? Some Muzlim or Muzlim left-wing Apologist? Actually, you're the parody.

Enragedsince1999 | July 23, 2011 12:26 PM | Reply
What goes around comes around. Whatever the case, the Norwegians have now began ripping what they had sown, demonizing Israel for decades, and eagerly justifying the mass murders of Israeli men, women, children, babies by the "Palestinian" Islamic Jihadis, saying that the "Palestinians" acted out of "hopelessness", "pain", "desperation", "anger" over the "occupation".
Now, the shue is on the other foot. Callously shred all human morality when it comes to the victims who happen to be Jewish, destroy the line beiween right and wrong, eagerly provide excuses for any murder of Jewish civilians, and suddenly find yourselves in those Jewish victims' shues. If a mass murder is a "justifieble" expression of "pain" and "anger", why can't this principle be applied to the Norwegians? Maybe, the attacker felt "pain" and "anger", too. A cause? It can always be easily found. How about calling it "a protest against wealthy Norway's, who is awash in petrodollars, insolent and unapologetic hunting of whales"? Or Norway's involvement in wars in Afghanistan and Libya?
Israel should not help Norway with any security advise, expertise or training. Norway cannot slap Israel in the face and then secretly ask it for favors.

Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.

gravenimage replied to comment from Archibald Angel | July 23, 2011 12:31 PM | Reply
Archibald Angel wrote: is now reporting him as a counter-jihadist endorsing the views of Fjordman, Robert Spencer, and Bat Yeor.

Thanks for posting this, Archibald. I don't read Norwegian–although I do read German, which has some linguistic similarities.

But the words "kristen", "konservativ", "nazi", "radikalisert", "fascisme", and "counterjihadist" are quite clear—as are the phrases "kulturekonservativ" and "terroristen varien norsk ektrem nasjonalist" (rough translation: "terrorism in the name of extreme Nordic nationalism").

The names Fjordman, Bat Yeor (sic), and Spencer—clearly Robert Spencer—are also clear. Describing (Oriana) Fallaci and Bat Ye'or in the English-language passage as "traditionally Fascist" could not be more grotesque.

These are both people who have spent much of their lives *working against Fascism*.

The implication, of course, is that Fjordman, Bat Ye'or, Robert Spencer and other anti-Jihadists inspire and support the sort of hideous terrorism we saw in Norway yesterday—when **nothing** could be further from the truth.

This Aftenposten article could not be more Orwellian.

grungyoldvan | July 23, 2011 12:32 PM | Reply
LONDON (AP) - In the wake of Norway's terrorist attack, the European police agency is setting up a task force of more than 50 experts to help northern European countries investigate non-Islamic terror threats, its spokesman told The Associated Press on Saturday.

Soeren Pedersen said the group, which is based in The Hague, hopes to help Norway and nearby countries in their investigations in the coming weeks. He said Norway has not requested forensic experts but that Europol could provide them if needed.

"There is no doubt that the threat from Islamist terrorism is still valid," he said. "But there have actually been warnings that (right-wing groups) are getting more professional, more aggressive in the way they attract others to their cause."

Since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, European countries have viewed Islamic terrorism as the primary threat. But the fact the suspect in Friday's twin attacks turned out to be a Norwegian with right-wing views is raising questions about whether homegrown, non-Islamic terror threats have been neglected.


There it is..

Dot | July 23, 2011 12:36 PM | Reply
Great detective work! The cops may not be doing any -- you just never can tell anymore.

There are many tamperers afoot today -- such as at that bastion of (original) Christian news networks, CBN. They have even adopted Muhammad as their "prophet" if you look at the last sentence of the headliner article. This is no AP report, which are usually tagged as such, but is "owned" by CBN News. Comments are appearing, disappearing and reappearing like a crack addict is at the helm.

I suspect a moderator (kevin?) or someone with pull is trying to bait people and then giving his version of the now invisible comments.


Dot | July 23, 2011 12:40 PM | Reply
And you too, Grungy. So it has begun -- Inverted World.

Dot replied to comment from Dot | July 23, 2011 12:44 PM | Reply
I meant great detective work from you too, Grungy.

Revnant Dream | July 23, 2011 12:57 PM | Reply
I have some questions myself.

If this nut hated Muslims so much why didn't he Bomb Mosques?
No Muslims whee killed , but fellow Norweigens.
Childen at that.
Something is way off about this. Besides anyone who does something like this can blatther their Christian till Judgement day. I could claim to be the KIng of the World. It don't make it true. Its actions that seperate the liars from the real thing.
Again, no Muslims where hurt only Norweigens. That tells me this is political. By the way hanging is to merciful for this human Vulture & his buddies if they exist.
By the way where are thestatements by his friends, workers, family. Even his neighbours.
Something is off on this story. I figueits gonna take a lot of digging to find the truth.

djal | July 23, 2011 12:59 PM | Reply
There is an interesting article here.
It claims that Breivik blogged under the name Fjordman:

"Norwegian bloggers are reporting that Breivik is the author of a blog called Fjordman and that he’s guest blogged for Atlas Shrugs, Jihad Watch and Gates of Vienna “for years.” As Breivik, he publicly praised one of her posts. Elise Hendrick has translated a passage from Realisten which confirms that Fjordman and Breivik are one and the same:
According to his own statements, Anders Behring Breivik previously operated the blog ‘Fjordman’, and later wrote for many years under the pseudonym Fjordman for the anti-Muslim and Zionist blogs Gates of Vienna and Jihad Watch."

A list of post featuring "Fjordman" can be found here

A lot of the post are posted by Robert and he gives credit to Fjordman. This is interesting.

What do you guys think about this?

Assa | July 23, 2011 1:03 PM | Reply
I advice that the followers of Mohammed; and all moderates all over the World, see how Christians and Free People all-over are vehemently denouncing, condemning and distancing themselves from this mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik.

There are always innocent-faced evil people in every society of the World).

If only few of them can follow suite to speak that Major Hassan, Osama bin Laden etc; are mass murderers, United States of America and Europe would automatically and amicably be divided between a mixed people of Evil and Good.

Futher more, the Muslims and their Jihad subordinates will be liberated from their present but unfortunate position - in the eyes of all - as the people that belong to a Religion of blood.

Dot replied to comment from djal | July 23, 2011 1:07 PM | Reply
That has already been disproven and repudiated:

"Robert | July 22, 2011 6:34 PM | Reply

Fredrik Markusson and Yseult:

You are propagating falsehoods. Fjordman is not Anders Breivik. I know who Fjordman is, I have met him, I know his name, and he is not now and never has been Anders Breivik. What's more, he is commenting tonight over at Gates of Vienna, and just answered an email from me about these very lies. So he is clearly not under arrest.

Robert Spencer"


That's even shoddy for a liar like yourself djal this late in the game. Pay attention.

Assa | July 23, 2011 1:08 PM | Reply
I advice that the followers of Mohammed; and all moderates all over the World, see how Christians and Free People all-over are vehemently denouncing, condemning and distancing themselves from this mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik.

There are always innocent-faced evil people in every society of the World).

If only few of them can follow suite to speak that Major Hassan, Osama bin Laden etc; are mass murderers, United States of America and Europe would automatically and amicably be divided between a mixed people of Evil and Good.

Futher more, the Muslims and their Jihad subordinates will be liberated from their present but unfortunate position - in the eyes of all - as the people that belong to a Religion of blood.

Battle_of_Tours | July 23, 2011 1:09 PM | Reply
And if this was faked, can we trust any of the material that is now being released about Breivik being anti-jihad?

The short answer is "no".

Further, who financed his massacres? Where did he get funds to buy weapons and six metric tons of fertilizer? What's the money trail?

There are too many unanswered questions here. What's the real story? Who else?

Enragedsince1999 | July 23, 2011 1:14 PM | Reply
Aftenposten is Norway's only "conservative" newspaper. When Israel tried to (and eventually succeeded in that effort) defend its citizens from the "Palestinian" jihadi mass-murderers, Aftenposten unleashed a vile anti-Israeli hate propaganda with cartoons depicting the Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon as a Nazi Gestapo officer and Arafat and other terrorists as his victims. And now, Aftenposten depicts Fyordman, Robert and Bat Ye'or as Nazis? No surprise. The "liberal" Dagbladet was even worse, and the Norwegian public NRK TV was even worse still.
To reply in kind, The Jerusalem Post, the Israeli TV and the Israeli people should now enthusiastically and loudly defend the attacker and demonize those killed in the youth camp and the Norwegian prime minister's office as "Hitlerjugend" and "Nazi headquarters personnel" respectively. But then again, the Israeli people and media have human decency, unlike the sociopathic Norwegian media, political, Lutheran Church, "artisic", academic, "NGO acivist" and labor union elites who have totally taken over Norway more than 30 years ago and are calling all the shots there.

Ruslan Tokhchukov, EnragedSince1999.

Dot replied to comment from Assa | July 23, 2011 1:21 PM | Reply
Re: " see how Christians and Free People all-over are vehemently denouncing, condemning and distancing themselves from this mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik."

I'm surprised that freethinkers of any stripe are even owning Anders Behring Breivik yet. People haven't had time to do their homework yet, don't you agree?

Family Values | July 23, 2011 1:22 PM | Reply
I just don't see the need for all this mishugas. Islam clearly accounts for most of the terrorism worldwide. Why does it have to be responsible for 100%, and why the need to strain credulity with these tin-foil-hat conjectures? Why can't you let a cigar sometimes be just a cigar?

Dot replied to comment from Assa | July 23, 2011 1:23 PM | Reply
This is a conviction by the media so far as I can tell, with the "authorities" complicit. They have gotten much quicker at this of late.

Dot replied to comment from Enragedsince1999 | July 23, 2011 1:27 PM | Reply
I didn't realize until (with trepidation) I read our local newspaper account that the area of the blasts housed news media offices. Which media offices I wonder?

Ashley | July 23, 2011 1:36 PM | Reply
Just speculating here. It does appear to be more "Oklahmoa City" than "9/11." Breivik may be anti-muslim, but I think he acted upon his strong anti-government leanings yesterday. I come to this based upon his targets...the headquarters of the Prime Minister in Oslo center, and a Labour Party youth summer camp on an island. As a previous poster asked, if he was acting on his anti-muslim leanings, why not strike mosques? I can imagine that the summer camp was an attractive target because it was known to groom Norway's youth to become strong leaders of the Labour Party.

That said, I'll be most curious what investigators find in Breivik's home, on his computer, and about his affiliations. I doubt very much that he was a closet Islam-sympathizer, but I'm sure he learned a trick or two from jihadists on how to pull off a domestic terrorist attack.

djal | July 23, 2011 1:37 PM | Reply
Why do you Robert accuse me of lying? I merely posted a link and said it claims that Fjordman and Breivik are one and the same, that's all and asking what you guys think about that.

Courreges W replied to comment from djal | July 23, 2011 1:39 PM | Reply
What do we think? YOU'RE WRONG. End of story.

Ronald Morgenthaler | July 23, 2011 1:44 PM | Reply
I smell deception big time. Truth is being purposely obscured on this event and lies are being injected in their place. Why were the police in ultra liberal Norway so quick to name him a Christian conservative? Why was there a fake Facebook page to the same effect? In my opinion this is a full scale attack on Christian conservatives by the left.

Kepha | July 23, 2011 1:56 PM | Reply
I went over to Gates of Vienna a while ago and noticed that Fjordman posted a short notice there.

While I repeat my apoligies to Muslims in general for suspecting them when I first heard of this attack, I still note that Mullah Krekar did try to blackmail Norway when he was facing deportation, and, shortly after the bombings, jihad sites were crowing.

Dallas99 | July 23, 2011 2:00 PM | Reply
It is simply illogical that Christian and anti-jihad proponents would do this to advance their (our) efforts, therefore any insinuation that anti-radical-Islamist forces are responsible are advancing an idea tha simply doesn't make sense.

katharina | July 23, 2011 2:01 PM | Reply
If Muslim terrorists commit evilness, the Dhimmi Lefties will tell us, it must have to do with Palestine, or whatever's happening in the Muslim world, by Western 'imperialism' - as will reported in most Dhimmi Lefties medias! This Norwegian terrorist was potrayed in the mass media as anti-Muslim despite that most of his victims were Socialists! He hated the ruling Socialist-Labour Govt of Norway but only his anti-Muslim part was stressed again and again - the Left will again manipulate this so deceitfully, to silence freedom of speech against Islam!

Ronald Morgenthaler replied to comment from Family Values | July 23, 2011 2:05 PM | Reply
Go away no nothing. We don't buy your crap.

djal | July 23, 2011 2:05 PM | Reply
Have a look at this

And search for spencer

when*pigs*fly | July 23, 2011 2:06 PM | Reply
My guess is this man was sick to death of watching the elected officials sell his country down the river while completely ignoring the wishes of the people who elected them. I think he got their attention now. There are many more frustrated people that won't allow the politicians to continue to go against their wishes waiting in the wings. I hope this finally wakes them up.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not condoning this massacre ,only trying to explain it. I think it is just the beginning.

And no, it's not a Christian jihadi. I'm underwhelmed by all the idiots posting on Yahoo and the mega idiot who is accusing Fjordman. What a bunch of complete losers.

Ronald Morgenthaler replied to comment from djal | July 23, 2011 2:07 PM | Reply
You too, go away deceiver.

Dot replied to comment from Ronald Morgenthaler | July 23, 2011 2:07 PM | Reply
It/him/her failed the smell test last night.

Glad you agree!

djal | July 23, 2011 2:08 PM | Reply
There is mention of Gates of Vienna, Jihad Watch and similar websites back in 2009. Also read some articles and you find that the general tone is close to what is written about in JahdWatch etc.

Archibald Angel | July 23, 2011 2:12 PM | Reply
This may be Anders 1500 page manifesto now being talked about on I can't say for sure b/c I'm having trouble opening the file.

Updated aftenposten article

djal | July 23, 2011 2:14 PM | Reply
I now see that he is not Fjordman, but in in his account he praises Fjordman.

Again, here is the link for the translated page

Read some and see how much you agree with what he has written.

Juliet Grann replied to comment from grungyoldvan | July 23, 2011 2:25 PM | Reply
"...the fact the suspect in Friday's twin attacks turned out to be a Norwegian with right-wing views is raising questions about whether homegrown, non-Islamic terror threats have been neglected.

Right wing views? What exactly is "right wing" about a clear cut psychopath who murders his countrymen? Were the "Britons" or "Spaniards" who murdered innocents in London tube and Madrid train "right wing"? Was Ulrike Meinhoff, or Bill Ayers and Italian Red Brigades right wing?
Were the monstrous crimes of Lenin, Stalin, Mao or Pol Pot right wing? Was Cain a rightist when he murdered his brother?

I think before you so uncritically join the howling crowd of the Left european media, especially BBC, you should stop for a while and ask yourslf what exactly is "right wing" and in what way the Norwegian nut exemplifies it.

I am sorry for the tone of my comment, but it irks me to see that even people on this blog contribute to the the invented by Left, (in order to cover and justify its own crimes and its treason), fable of right-wing terror threat. There have been over 16000 muslim terror attacks around the globe in the past decade. In the West there have been hundreds of attacks prevented and averted thanks to constant, costing bilions, surveilance of muslims whose presence here is direct outcome of Left's cynical policies. Left will do everything to hide its role in creation of the civilizational time bomb. Screaming "watch out for the extreme-right terror!" is a goebelesque trick to divert attention from its infamous role.

No. There is no extreme right terror threat for the simple reason that "extreme right" is just an epithet invented by the Left for those who oppose its crimes. There is no real thing behind this name.

There is only muslim terror, leftist terror, and occasional psychopat terror. The attention we must pay to them should be in direct proportion to their share of current global terror "market".

Dot replied to comment from djal | July 23, 2011 2:25 PM | Reply
Beat it.

Dot replied to comment from Juliet Grann | July 23, 2011 2:27 PM | Reply
Beat it.

Ronald Morgenthaler replied to comment from when*pigs*fly | July 23, 2011 2:29 PM | Reply
"My guess is this man was sick to death of watching the elected officials sell his country down the river while completely ignoring the wishes of the people who elected them. I think he got their attention now."

It's only a preview of what's coming, including the way the left has used it to attack the messengers of truth.

Istanbul_Chick replied to comment from djal | July 23, 2011 2:29 PM | Reply
"Read some and see how much you agree with what he has written."

Yeah? And so what if I agree with everything he has written?

I haven't read any of what he's written because I don't know if it was he who wrote it. There are at least three other people posting using my user name who are not me. There are also a couple posting using my real life name.

However, I am vehemently anti-islam, anti-muslim immigration, anti-socialist, anti-marxist, anti-communist, anti-multicult and steadfastly atheist. I'm also left of conservative in my values and politics but not a leftard.

Oh, nos, troll! It's not just the "conservative Christians" who are "racist islamophobes!"

What's your point, troll? Should I have myself arrested for agreeing with the philosophies of someone who may or may not be a mass-murderer?

katharina replied to comment from djal | July 23, 2011 2:32 PM | Reply
Muslim fanatics and terrorists have been raping, torturing, enslaving and murdering innocent human beings, until today, since that RACIST Arabic predatory Pedophile rapist, robber, mass murderer of the Jews and slave-owner (including sexual slaves such as young Jewish captive girls), Mohammed, created Islam, in his evil goal to construct pure Arabian race and kingdom, and legitimize his and his tribe’s evil and savage Arabic socio-cultural practises and god (i.e. the Devil), especially against Judeo-Christian shared God and civilized tradition and laws!

djal replied to comment from Istanbul_Chick | July 23, 2011 2:34 PM | Reply
My point is that it should make you think.

George replied to comment from Ronald Morgenthaler | July 23, 2011 2:34 PM | Reply

I second your sentiments, Ronald!

A couple of libel-infested maroons! Mr. Spencer answered this question last night. Anders what's-his-face is NOT Fjordman. So, they're calling Mr. Spencer a liar. And, Mr. Spencer has NEVER advocated violence--only freedom
from islamic oppression. They libel fjordman and Mr. Spencer, then chide us for speculating on the many unanswered questions around this case. Classic hypocritical distortion and projection right from the muslim / leftard playbook.

Go take your crap up the street somewhere (like Huffington Post) where the smell is already so bad that no one will notice...

katharina replied to comment from Istanbul_Chick | July 23, 2011 2:38 PM | Reply
Spot on istanbul_Chick!

katharina replied to comment from djal | July 23, 2011 2:40 PM | Reply
It's you who need to think! Talking nonsense!

George | July 23, 2011 2:42 PM | Reply

Calling Buraq: Whoop Whoop! Clown alert!

Istanbul_Chick replied to comment from djal | July 23, 2011 2:46 PM | Reply
Think about what?

That I'm going to mass murder children?

I'm not like you. I'm not motivated by bronze age bedoin invoked sky monsters.

Nor am I like whoever may have commited this heinous

I won't kill children. Not even of the kuranimal variety.

Nor will I kill anyone unless he or she is physically tyring to harm me or mine.

Archibald Angel | July 23, 2011 2:58 PM | Reply
Finally got an easily downloadable copy of "2083 -A European Declaration of Indpendence" by Andrew Berwick aka Anders Breivik

Revnant Dream | July 23, 2011 3:01 PM | Reply
If this an opening salvo on Europian
Islamification by reactionary groups, & not just an individual slaughter by a madman. Than G-D help us all.
When you go after the children, than atrocities like this, will end up in a river of blood.
This guy will see the dark side of Hell.
Of that I'm sure of. I doubt he lives long in any jail.

Maxpublius | July 23, 2011 3:02 PM | Reply
For the record, I'd have this guy executed within a month, but the leftists he attacked took that option off the table.

Let's apply the metrics the MSM is incapable of and assume he said he was Christian and conservative at one time. What church does he attend? Has the minister ever issued orders to attack anyone, or even demean other religions? What Christian documents did he quote? Let's face it, his Christianity is as nominal and lacking in support as the Islam of thousands of jihadist is authentic and well supported by vast sums of money given by powerful Islamic networks.

Since leftists state he believed in a right-wing ideology, will they care to identify exactly what that is? The people he admired are equally admired by the left, although for less reason--John Locke, John Stuart Mills, and the anti-Nazi fighter Max Manus. And the double standard persists, non-Westerners against multiculturalism are just being authentic, which is a leftist virtue.

This guy is no doubt a sick reactionary--he reacted uncontrollably to the nationally suicidal policies of leftist adults by murdering their children.

Ronald Morgenthaler replied to comment from djal | July 23, 2011 3:09 PM | Reply
"My point is that it should make you think."

Yes, it does. It makes me think about you; That you would keep pushing an accusation which has been debunked because you have an agenda. I thought we asked you to leave. You don't belong here. replied to comment from djal | July 23, 2011 3:18 PM | Reply
Fjordman was making comments yesterday and last night on The Gates of Vienna long after this man was arrested. It cannot be Fjordman.

The fact that jihadis have manipulated his FB page and are trying to make people think it was Fjordman indicates further that it was a jihadi attack. This big lie campagn after the atrocity was obviously thought out prior to the event and is obviously an integral part of the plan.

Last year in the run up to the anti GZM protest a kid asked a cabbie if he was muslim then stabbed him. Pro mosque people used this incident to claim the anti GZM protests were inspiring people to attack muslims.

Then the newspapers found out that the kid was working FOR the Ground Zero Mosque. It is elementery to deduce that he was manipulated by someone to stab the cab driver in order to create a fake hate crime that could be used for bad publicity against the anti GZM folks.

Manipulating impressionable or unstable people to commit extreme acts in support of or to sabotage activist groups is a well known tactic. The book Toxic Sludge is Good For You has a chapter about it.

Who is the king of all judo? I AM!

Rich | July 23, 2011 3:19 PM | Reply
This guy was not a Christian if you see his blogging comments.

He was definitely anti-Islam and had a grudge against the policies of his government.

But what he did has greatly harmed the real issues of stopping the discriminatory and totalitarian ideology of Islam. They and their leftist allies are bound to seize this for their maximum advantage.

The BBC reports: "Lars Helle, editor of the daily Dagbladet, said "we must avoid being preoccupied by fear, like the US was after 11 September 2001. Rather, we must look to Spain and England and how the people of those nations recovered their freedom after the horrible terrorist acts of 2004 and 2005"."

Recovered their freedom? Their freedom is more in danger than ever before.

We must unequivocally condemn this heinous act AND we must continue to point out the real issues and the proper way to fight them - Through education and organisation and reasoned rhetoric.

Chechar | July 23, 2011 3:25 PM | Reply
I thought it was a false flag. Now I’ve changed my mind. Balder Blog explains it in a brief article. Since that blog has been shut down due to heavy traffic I reposted it here.

the phoenix replied to comment from Enragedsince1999 | July 23, 2011 3:30 PM | Reply
dear ruslan,

read both your posts with keen interest. you have taken the words out of my mouth in both comments.

while my heart goes out to the families of the victims, i CERTAINLY share your anger and disgust at what norway is epitomizing in the massive western effort to deligitimize israel and whitewash any and ALL musloid crimes against jews.

sheik yer'mami | July 23, 2011 3:57 PM | Reply
Enemy identified. Let the witch-hunt begin!

5 minutes of al Jizz and you know which way the wind blows:

The enemy is of course ….us.

Aftenposten is now reporting him as a counter-jihadist endorsing the views of Fjordman, Robert Spencer, and Bat Yeor. (This Aftenposten article could not be more Orwellian.)

The enemy is the ‘far-right, extremist, anti-multiculturalist, anti-Muslim, anti-immigrant lobby’, etc, etc. The enemy are the newly emerging ‘powerful far right’ parties, in Holland, Denmark, Finland and Sweden. Oh those dreadful new border-controls in Denmark! Lets have total Gun control by UN treaty! Those dreadful guns. Lets disarm the people totally and indoctrinate all the children in multicultural socialist summer camps, just like the kidz from Utoya island....

Btw: have you noticed that the "kidz from Utoya" (that 'socialist youth camp') don't look like Norwegians at all? Take a look, here on Al Jizz:

Utoya island: summer camp for young members of the governing (Labour) party, a real moonbat el dorado.

Al Jizz is ecstatic over so much “right wing-Christian fundamentalist” terrorism.

Watch the vid, here:

These young members of the governing party look strangely out of place in Norway.

Ali Esbati tells Al Jazeera what he saw and experienced during shooting at camp on Utoya island.

He (the shooter) was “an Islamophobic internet activist” sez Ali Esbati, a ‘real’ Norwegian…

vladdy | July 23, 2011 3:58 PM | Reply
I've read that he is connected with the EDL, the NDL, AND the Tea Party. Right. The left is having a field day, as you can see from some of the ghouls on here. Suddenly, I'm sseing posts about how we have to get rid of "far-right" groups like Geert Wilders' party.

I just posted yesterday that Wikileakes reported the U.S. furious at Norway for not pursuing


Now here's this:

When I think of how quickly the U.S. turned pro-islam after 9-11 my first thought is that elites in Europe -- already set apart from a large percentage of the peaople because of their pushing multicult -- along with muslims, will be gaining a whole lot from this.

No longer will EDL and affiliate marches be tolerated as they have been. Denial of muslim requests? Hard to do, when the heads of islamic organizations over there are all crying out how they love their homeland, Norway. And as for the reputation of political groups that want to support Eurocentric values...

Already, native Norwegians are on Twitter expressing relief because he IS a Norwegian, not because he was not. And of course, this will set back Christianity, already dying in Durope, as well as hurting its reputation here, giving the left one more "Timothy McVeigh." (See "The Third Terrorist.")

So much to gain from this. It benefits so many people, and works out so neatly. A Christian murdering children? No hesitation in believing that at all. Goes to show how eager some folks are to damage Christianity. Now who might want that?

And now the Facebook page. Hey, if only 3% of Norwegians attend church (sorry -- didn't save link), it's quite a coincidence that this guy is a "fundamentalist" (American term, popular among the left) and even calls HIMSELF that.

Istanbul_Chick replied to comment from sheik yer'mami | July 23, 2011 4:02 PM | Reply
"These young members of the governing party look strangely out of place in Norway."

Sheik, I thought the same thing.

But, it still doesn't justify murdering them. Kuranimal or not they're still just kids.

jewdog | July 23, 2011 4:06 PM | Reply
Apparently this guy has made a couple past postings over at that do in fact indicate that he was a conservative and anti-jihadist. There also is a youtube posting of his that indicates that he was also probably mentally ill. From

Then follows a YouTube link that goes to a page announcing :

"Daniel Pipes - The Modern L..."

This video is no longer available because the YouTube account associated with this video has been terminated due to multiple third-party notifications of copyright infringement from claimants including:

Sorry about that.

This baffles me, as my talks have nothing to do with cooking and I have not appeared on HBO, so how could either party claim copyright infringement? Further, checking my records, I find no talk of mine that begins with "The Modern L …" So, I have no idea what this video shows, or even if I am in it.

Richard Garyson | July 23, 2011 4:19 PM | Reply
It appears that he liked the movie "Gladiator." Gee, I guess that makes Russell Crowe an accomplice to this massacre.

j_not_a | July 23, 2011 4:32 PM | Reply
I saw a poster on an article about this atrocity in the comments section of a newssite (read so many today forget exactly which one) who also spoke of viewing this guys facebook page and saying he didn't see anything about his religious affiliation or political view at all anywhere i.e. "christian" or
"conservative" (he said the page he viewed was dated July 22). Something really stinks here, it will all come out soon enough.

Juliet Grann replied to comment from vladdy | July 23, 2011 4:36 PM | Reply
Already, native Norwegians are on Twitter expressing relief because he IS a Norwegian, not because he was not.

Absolutely revolting!
How sick must be the mind of persons who prefer that a perpetrator of such evil be their own. Such madness can only be matched by perversion of welcoming the fact that the victims, too, are Norwegian. Embracing multikulti makes one a freak of nature

Poosh replied to comment from Juliet Grann | July 23, 2011 4:46 PM | Reply
that is NOT sick. I would rather it be a one-off lone nut case then a military wave of islamo-attacks.

Eastview | July 23, 2011 5:02 PM | Reply
This story is just tailor made for Leftists and multiculturalists striking back at conservatives. They know it, and we know it, too. The zeal with which liberal commenters immediately associated the killer with Fjordman, Bat Ye'or, Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller on the basis of random comments having nothing to do with much of anything shows that the anti-Jihad sites such as JW and Atlas Shrugs are having an effect, and that the Left worries it is losing control of its monopoly over the cultural narrative. It is not insignificant that they issued a huge and palpable sigh of relief that the shooter was NOT Muslim for a change. That his irrational action could be tagged as being a Christian conservative AND anti-Islamist is a twofer for the Left.

I wonder how long before Janet Napolitano comes out with a "see, this is what I've been trying to tell you...THESE are the really dangerous people we should all be worrying about..." And of course, this statement will lack the metrics that reveal the direction from which the real danger is coming (hint - it ain't from the Christian conservatives or anti-Jihadists.)

Although not directly related to this story, and I can't prove it, I would speculate that the zeal with which Rupert Murdoch is being pursued by the Left is part of a broader effort to counter the increasingly assertive and successful conservative movement. Murdoch owns News Corp, the parent company of Fox News, and if somehow Fox could be silenced it, too, would be a great victory for the Left.

So, what are conservatives to do? One suggestion: abandon the mentality of the checker player and learn to play chess.

Juliet Grann replied to comment from Poosh | July 23, 2011 5:12 PM | Reply
I would rather it be a one-off lone nut case then a military wave of islamo-attacks.

It is not a matter of choosing "this, rather than that" to happen (in the future).
It is a matter of very human distress and shame that the monster guilty of a crime ALREADY committed is one of my own.
It is an abomination to be relieved by the fact. | July 23, 2011 5:14 PM | Reply
I'm an 'antijihadist', but... I need to understand.
(I apologize for my bad English)

24 hours ago, I've found this version (looks like the 2nd on your post).

The url gave it to me a friend of mine in Oslo:
Now the page has been deleted or closed.

To compare them..

What time did you find these different versions of Facebook profile?
Where is CoD Modern Warfare 2 in your first published version?
Where is the full version of the 2nd "your" profile?

Thanks in advance (and great work your site) .


ebonystone | July 23, 2011 5:21 PM | Reply
In regard to his being a "Christian": according to one comment I saw today, in Norway everyone is registered on the rolls as a member of some church. Almost everyone is registered as a member of the Norwegian State (Protestant) Church, since that's what most Norwegians have always been, and one is listed in the church of one's parents. The few Norwegians who are Catholics, Jews, or non-believers are listed as members of those churches (or a Humanist in the case of non-believers). If one converts, one can have the record changed; but probably most non-observant Christians never bother. A portion of one's taxes go to support the church that one "belongs" to.

PS, I wish commentors would stop referring to the shooting victims as "children". They were members of the youth wing of the socialist party -- aged 14-18 -- which is not what I'd consider children.

Juliet Grann replied to comment from Juliet Grann | July 23, 2011 5:22 PM | Reply

Please read the above comment by Eastview.

In particular I am referring to his pointing out that: "It is not insignificant that they issued a huge and palpable sigh of relief that the shooter was NOT Muslim for a change"

TJFREEDOMJIHAD replied to comment from djal | July 23, 2011 5:34 PM | Reply
"What do you guys think about this:?"

Just irresponsible libel, that's all. And you take too long to learn.

ebonystone | July 23, 2011 5:34 PM | Reply
A few more remarks;
I'm surprised that the press hasn't made more of his Masonic membership; Europe has quite a history of Masonic conspiracies, both real and imagined. In popular fantasies, Masonic conspiracies were as popular as Jewish conspiracies and Jesuit conspiracies. In some imaginations, all three were lumped together as branches of one super-conspiracy.
And how much longer do we have to wait before the talking heads re-assure us that extremists are only a "tiny fringe" of Christians and Masons, and that Christianity and Masonry are really "teachings of peace"? When do the authorities warn us about a "backlash" and start posting extra security around churches and lodges? If this had been an Islamic terrorist attack, we'd have been hearing such re-assurances and warnings for the last 24 hours.

Bingo | July 23, 2011 5:53 PM | Reply
Could this man be a self-hating gay? The glamour pics of him on his Facebook strike me as odd. Have any former girl friends come forward yet?

profitsbeard | July 23, 2011 5:56 PM | Reply
Terrorist scum need no "understanding", because their use of terrorism takes the perpetrator beyond such human concerns.

The only response to terrorist scum is a speedy trial and quick hanging.

The EU needs to have the death penalty on the books for terrorists ~or they invite more of this murderous madness.

Jesus's entire belief system is toward love, peace and utterly opposed to violence - against children, above all.

That anyone would mention "Christian" as a purported "rationale" for this monstrous lunacy betrays a calculated distortion of the meaning and esence of Christianity for some malicious end.

The mass-murderer needs to die.

His ideology is irrelevant.

Terrorism deserves nothing but absolute contempt, and those who use it deserve the ultimate penalty.

TJFREEDOMJIHAD replied to comment from profitsbeard | July 23, 2011 6:09 PM | Reply
Right you are, profitsbeard. But keep him well enough longe enough to examine all that's needed, which I suspect is more than a month. Terrorist death penalty should be standard.

I expect we will eventually find there is more to see than meets the eye, in this whole thing. There are a huge amount of issues going on in this heinous matter, just around the indivual, that need explaining. Unlikely he worked alone. Possible, but remote.

I hope the investigating officials are not simpletons, with an agenda, but real pros, who know how to follow threads and bread crumb trails, with determination, and will get pro help where they have weak expertise. This deserves every bit of it. The people who perished deserve no less!

Eastview replied to comment from djal | July 23, 2011 6:15 PM | Reply
"What do you guys think about this?"

djal, with respect, your discovery of the world of anti-Jihad sites appears to be fairly recent, else you would know that Fjordman is not as he has been smeared. In fact, he, along with Robert Spencer, was one of the earliest bloggers to point out the Islamic elephant in the room. Further, among other things he has written extensively about the history of Islamic contributions to science (or more precisely, the claimed contributions, which in most cases were Greek or Roman and appropriated from their conquered subjects and attributed to Islam). Fjordman is a brilliant and honorable man. I and virtually all long-term JW readers have long admired him.

Again, not to be disrespectful because I sense a genuine desire to get at the truth behind the swirling claims and counterclaims about the motives behind the shooter's actions, but your comments remind me a little of what one might expect from a young gosling who, having only recently opened his eyes, becomes attached to the first thing that crosses his field of view. All of us have to start our education from somewhere; none of us are born with a knowledge of history, and are prone to brainwashing from whatever culture we are born into. But there is no excuse for any of us, once we learn that the world didn't start the instant we happened to open our eyes, not to educate ourselves. And JihadWatch, Gates of Vienna (where Fjordman has published many of his superb essays over many years) are among the best sites for this.

Among Alexander Pope's many splendid insights is one which I think applies here:

"A little learning is a dangerous thing;
Drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring:
There shallow draughts intoxicate the brain,
And drinking [deeply] largely sobers us again."

BTW, I am giving you the benefit of the doubt in being sincere in your desire at getting at the truth. Specifically, I am ignoring the possibility that you are feigning ignorance - not to mention the implications of your choice of handle "djal" with its obvious similarity to "djall" the name of the devil in Albanian mythology .

Eastview replied to comment from Eastview | July 23, 2011 6:32 PM | Reply
Note: Pope's line "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing..." is often misinterpreted by anti-education ignoramuses as meaning "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing..." However, the complete stanza clarifies this bit of uncertainty and shows that what Pope means is "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing..."

Aprilyn | July 23, 2011 7:14 PM | Reply
This is really troubling, actually its more than troubling, it's scary. It reveals the lengths that the powers that be (be it the extreem left, muslims or whatever), will go to.

The left has to have another group to hang the banner of "terrorism/terrorists" on. Jews are already hated by not only muslim, but by many throughout the world. Anti-semitism is increasing daily. The hatred of the Jewish people has been around since the beginning, when God said the Jew's were His chosen people. Christianity too was hated outlawed (by the Romans). Christians were marytered for there faith in the Jewish messiah who died for their sins and rose again. Also, their belief that Jesus was the son of God didn't make the "Cesars" of Rome happy.

I guess we shouldn't be suprised, by this new deception, this new tatict. There really has been a need for another "scapegoat" and Christians were the next in line(actually they haven't been loved by either muslims or the left). This new deception of another scapegoat has been used and/or hinted at before. Yes, this is islamic "Taqiyya," (deception), and muslims are thrilled, overjoyed. But the truth that war is deceite, is a truth that is known to more than muslims, the left has been using deceite in it's war fare against freedom for sometime.

What is it they say, people will believe anything they read and quite frankly that is what we are seeing, people blindly believing anything. Hitler said it best, tell a big enought lie and people will believe it.

This is just another example of the destruction of freedom.

It's scary, but I'm really not suprised.

traeh | July 23, 2011 7:39 PM | Reply
The killer may have been an anti-jihadist. Clearly then, Robert Spencer deserves some of the blame for this mass murder. I read that the killer also liked cheese. So I think the French should own up to their part in setting this madman on his path of destruction. And so should everyone else who likes cheese.

margaritha | July 23, 2011 9:35 PM | Reply
CNN- the American news media today added the "Christian terrorist" while announceing about the Norway shooting incident. They never used to mention "Islamic terrorists"while reading about the terror attacks by Muslims. Well! Muslims will be happy that Thimothy Mcway got a partner.But wait a minute Muslims- both of them never killed Muslims,but killed their own community,where as your terrorists aim at destroying the 'Kafirs' to please Allah!.

Wri7913 replied to comment from djal | July 23, 2011 11:00 PM | Reply
"My point is that it should make you think."
To what end?

Even if I agreed with everything he wrote what exactly does that prove? That I'm guilty of doing what he did? Hardly. What should it make me think about? That someone in this forum may go off and do something like that? It would be pretty stupid for anyone to do so.

Here's what I think. We don't know this guy's motivation. All that is out there right now is speculation... and LOTS of speculation. Opinions are like A$$holes and everyone has got one. I have not jumped to any conclusion about who has done what. I do know an Islamic group took credit for it initially then reclaimed that credit. For what purpose? Who knows. As others have pointed out there are many unanswered questions that will only come from asking the person himself. Unlike Islamic thugs that blow themselves up, this guy was caught alive.

Questions I have are:

How did he pay for the fertilizer and who helped him?
How did he plan all this and was he acting alone?
Was there any ties to any other groups?
What was his motivation?
What was his intention?

Many other questions but that's just a few to start with.

mike ryan | July 23, 2011 11:11 PM | Reply
This atrocity is "simply" a horrific event, a deeply disturbing expression of evil in our world, and an example of something sinister that, alas, is all too common.

The atrocity in Norway has nothing to do with Islam; its got nothing to do with anti-Islam, conservativism, Christianity in any form, or any religion in any form. It just IS, and what it is is a diabolical expression of human evil and depravity.

A pox upon the house of ANYONE who would try to politicize this abomination or try to get propagandistic milage from it!

Spirit Of 1683 | July 23, 2011 11:33 PM | Reply
There can be little doubt that this nutcase has damaged the anti-Jihad movement, just as a Dutch Communist helped Hitler immensely by burning down the Reichstag. We know what became of that. And history might well remember this as a Reichstag moment for Europe and perhaps the West itself. All it takes is a couple of nutters like Timothy McVeigh and Anders Brevik to turn attention away from the slaughter of Christians in Pakistan and the Sudan, and the shelling of Israel by Hamas and Hezbollah and bring us into self-hate mode. Suddenly almost 18,000 terrorist atrocities carried out by Muslims since 9/11 are forgotten, because in the minds of the loony liberals only Christians and Jews can be terrorists, not Muslims. And Muslims will see this as further justification of why the world must be Islamised. And that would be a nightmare for Western civilization itself.

ebonystone replied to comment from Bingo | July 23, 2011 11:57 PM | Reply
Bingo asks: "Could this man be a self-hating gay?"

Wow! Wouldn't that throw the leftist talking heads for a loop! If he was, that info would be buried in the innermost pages of the paper, and in the smallest print. But this attack doesn't fit the pattern of gay killers. There have been several of them, like John Gacy, Jeff Dahmer, and Wayne Williams, but they have been serial killers, all killing a number of young lovers over a period of time. They didn't massacre a whole bunch of people all at one time, people they didn't even know. Still, there's a first time for everything.

London Jim replied to comment from Spirit Of 1683 | July 24, 2011 12:14 AM | Reply
''And that would be a nightmare for Western civilization itself''. That's a fact 1683.

Yvdirtrider replied to comment from Wri7913 | July 24, 2011 1:13 AM | Reply
He owned farm property and got the fertilizer delivered to his farm, claiming it was for agricultural purposes:|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE

Yvdirtrider replied to comment from Chechar | July 24, 2011 1:27 AM | Reply
Chechar, what is the point in posting comments from an apparently neo-nazi site?

In perusing the blog you suggest we read for "clarification" of this issue, I came upon the following comments:

"The death of Nazi Germany was the death of Western man and all he once stood for."

"Read about the holocaust against Ukrainians by Jews."

Really? What "clarification" can we attain from a man who thinks Nazi Germany represented the "best of Western man" and who believes that "the Jews" committed a "holocaust" against Ukrainians?

carpediadem replied to comment from Enragedsince1999 | July 24, 2011 1:40 AM | Reply

I was thinking along those lines when I heard of this.
Notwithstanding the horror of those deaths, especially the children's, Norway as a government has done nothing to stand against terror against Jews, in and out of Norway, clearly figuring that Jewish Norwegian citizens do not count, and Israelis are not human beings - let it cope now with the internal terror it has deliberately cultivated.

I had not heard of the horror being claimed and then retracted by a jihadi group. Extraordinary!

Yvdirtrider replied to comment from Chechar | July 24, 2011 1:42 AM | Reply
Chechar, oh boy! Your page speaks about

There were various other links to "Aryan" and "white nationalist" desires to turn the Pacific Northwest into an "Aryan Homeland."

Are you trying to stoke the fires of hatred and racism against Jews and other "non-Aryan" Americans by claiming that the atrocity in Norway is somehow linked to Jews?

I detect what might be your agenda, and it reeks to high heaven.

carpediadem replied to comment from Rich | July 24, 2011 2:09 AM | Reply
Say, Lars, how about looking to the people of Isreael and seeing how they cope with the after-effecets of terrorism, especially whn NOrway funds terrorists with largte sums of money??

It always irks me when people discuss terrorism in other countries eg 7/7, 9/11, Bali, and forget the country where terrorism occurs daily simply on the basis of Jew-hatred - Israel.

fightback | July 24, 2011 4:52 AM | Reply
Excellent work for those responsible for this.
Best wishes and keep it up.

keshtopatel | July 24, 2011 7:41 AM | Reply
Interesting time lay ahead as the mass assasin has got advocate of his choice whome he has spoken with and said he wanted to bring mass awakening and revolution against the islamic influx into norway. We shall hear more from him in the witness box, as the trial would unfold.....he is sure to blame islam.

Maxpublius | July 24, 2011 7:43 AM | Reply
This guy epitomizes the warning not to become like your enemy. Now this guy has muddied the water viewed by anyone with just a cursory knowledge of Islamization--most people, that is. A Jewish kid who shot a Nazi provoked German outrage that led to Kristolnacht, nevermind that the Nazis were already destroying Jewish communities including this kid's family. Nigerian Christians fighting back only led the media to calling the jihad a internecine rivalry. Ditto for Hindus in India.
The irony of one-way multiculturalism is that it is just the opposite--a net reduction in cultures. As is, it merely spreads the most numerically dominate, dysfuntional diaspora culture at the cost of the more progressive. Land is a finite resource. There are no Norwegian communities sprouting up in Somalia or Pakistan. It is tragedy that this will be realized too late, but the saving note is that all cultures and religions will soon be moot, as advances in technology and genetic science will effectively make races, ethnicities, religions and other cultural norms a thing of the past--if we can only survive a few more years--I'd guess 30--to see it.

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